1808: America's First Murder Ballad

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So very exciting to hold hands to whole 

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Hands. Now we're going to have to start counting on our toes. Just funny. Cause people are like, think people from Alabama and just, we're just not intelligent, but yet that we are, we are, but you know how people think, like I was listening to sinister hood one day and they're from Texas they're I believe they're out of Dallas. And one of the girls said, yeah, someone actually asked me if I rode a 

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Horse to 

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School. And I'm like, yeah, well people here ask us if we marry our cousins. So, or if everybody has all their teeth, that's another fun one. Yeah. And yeah. And they just think that we're very intelligent. We have not revealed ourselves yet on the Instagram. So people don't know what we look like. So it's pretty interesting. It'll be pretty funny. Yeah. Cause yeah, none of them know what we look. 

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Yeah. I do have all of our teeth. We do. And I will say I do love because I mean, we have pretty Southern voices obviously and pretty nice person and, and I'm cheerful happy, you know, and I have pretty good phone voice, and I've had to have customers that I've talked to on the federal lot. Not as much anymore, but I had one guy, you know, thinking he was gonna just roll over me because I have this nice pleasant, cheerful persona. And then he found out very quickly when he started using words that are not appropriate to use really in any situation. 

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But especially if you want me to assist you, he found out quickly that I can turn off that nice. And I can get down to business and I can turn on your 

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Teacher voice. 

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Oh yes. I totally teach her voice. And I let him know very quickly that my job is to help you and I'll be happy to do so, but I do not have to listen to that kind of language. It's not required for me to listen to that. So I'll be happy to help you, but not if you're going to use that language. So would you like to move forward? So it's kind of fun to put them in their place when they think they're gonna just roll over you and then you come out with, you know, Hey, by the way, I'm nice, but I'm not stupid. 

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Oh yeah. It's, it's always a lot. It's it's always real funny. And especially, so we work in a, a service 

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Industry. We 

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Do where we work with a lot of men over the phone, 

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90%, 

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Ninety five, ninety 5% men all day from all over the United States on the phone. And 

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The majority of them are nice. Yes. 

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But then you get the ones that they and other lovely ladies who are listening will understand. Sometimes men don't hear things when the octave registers a little too high for them. And they just think that we don't know what we're talking about. That's always a really fun one. And especially because we're from the south and because we're women that like a lot of them, it from really any place will, oh, you don't know, will you don't know? And we have a lovely gentleman that works in my office. I'll go to him sometimes and I'll go, this guy just needs to hear this in a lower voice. Do you mind telling him? 

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And he's like, Nope. 

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And then we could just sit there and listen. And it's fan Ted 

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Is like, cause it'll go. Well, one thing Kayla already told you that it's always a real fun time, but yeah. So fun. So we, this week's case, it's going to be going to be a pretty good one. It'll bring him nothing about the sleep. You don't. I haven't told Leah anything about this one at all. So this week we are covering for the year 1808 Naomi wise, and America's first murder, ballad, 

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Murder, 

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Ballad, murder ballad, 

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Kind of like 

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Murder ballad. Just what you think, oh, are you going to say, no, I'm not going to sing. Oh, 

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It could be our first musical 

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Numbers or our whole like, you know, and shows always have a musical episode. We're not doing that 

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Heart. So 

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Our sources for this week murder by Gaslight. I love that website. It's such an interesting website because they, it is all murder by Gaslight. So it's all in that time frame and periods. So it's fun. Interesting, medium.com had a really good article on it. And the Yale review had a good article on it as well. So in 1808, we discussed it in last case. But January one was the date that the act prohibiting importation of slaves comes into effect in the United States and this band, the importation of slaves. So we talked about it in the last episode passed. It was passed in 1807. 

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This is when it started February 11th. Anthracite coal was first burned as fuel by Jesse Phil and Wilkes-Barre Pennsylvania. And this led to the use of coal as a fuel source for the American industrial revolution to the river Lou different revolution, March six, the first college orchestra in the U S is founded at Harvard, April 6th. John Jacob Astor founded the American for company. You think they made muffs anyways, either April 24th, Irish, an Irish Dominican R Luke con akin is consecrated as the first Bishop of the Roman Catholic diocese of New York. 

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Interesting June 1st Ohio university in Athens, Ohio becomes the first us land grant university, which from all of our research, because I tried to look into what that actually meant. And it just literally meant that the government gave the university, the land to build a university. That's my dad's birthday there on November 4th, James Madison beat Charles pink, me in the election. And Madison is elected as the fourth president of the United States, November 10th, the Osage treaty or the tree of Fort Clark. It's kind of known two different ways is signed, which gave the us a portion of land that is today, Arkansas and Missouri. 

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So April 8th, 1808, Naomi wise is found dead in deep river in Randolph county, North Carolina, and in January and February of 1851 under the name Charlie Vernon Braxton Craven released to the murder ballad of Naomi wise in two installments in the evergreen newspaper. So our story is going to be in Randolph county. And this is located kind of in the middle of North Carolina, based on everything that I saw. It's kind of like if you went in the sides, like in and down, like, cause it's kinda shaped like a Tennessee almost, you know, in that like it's longer than it is tall. 

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So yeah, if you kind of go to the middle that's that's where Randolph county is. Okay. The area was originally settled by English Quakers and they took up residents around the Eno deep and hall rivers. So when I say that Naomi was found in the deep river, it's not it's, it's not a deep river. It is the deep river that's name of it. Yes, I bet it was deep though that maybe what was called and 1779, the county was officially formed and it was named after the first president of the continental Congress, Peyton Randolph duke university was originally located in Randolph county and the county is home to one of the last remaining covered bridges in the state. 

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The Pisgah covered bridge goes over little river in union township. The other covered bridge in the state is bunker hill covered bridge in Claremont. The Pisca bridge was built in 1911 by JJ Welch. And at the time it only cost $40. It's a very beautiful bridge. I looked it up. It's very beautiful. It's it's a really cool, it's what you would think when you think of a cover like a cool cover bridge. Yeah, it's really pretty. In 2003, the bridge was actually destroyed by a flood, but it was rebuilt. Very good. So like I said, this week, we're going to get into murder ballads in the United States and we're going to discuss OMI wise as she was also called. 

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So she was Naomi wise or she was OMI wise due to ballads being passed down generationally. It's not known what the actual first United States murder ballad is. But from what I can find, this is the first murder ballad that was published in the United States. So actually put into a paper, a murder ballads are actually a sub genre of traditional ballads that originated in the lowlands of Scotland, England and Scandinavia, once English and Scottish settlers made their way to Appalachia. 

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The American folk ballads were born. It is Appalachia, not Appalachia, not Appalachian it's Appalachia. A lot of, lot of people, alleged Cola. A lot of people get, or they'll, they'll say the Appalachian, the Appalachian mountains and stuff like that. It's Appalachia. So I know, I, I know that our Appalachia listeners will be very happy that we got that correct. Cause that's always a big, big thing for people in that area. They hate that people mispronounce it, but it is the app Appalachia and for anybody and for anybody who doesn't know Appalachia, it's part of the Appalachian mountains. 

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And that is a range that I believe it starts. If you look at the map, it starts in Southern New York and it ends at the Northern corner of Mississippi. So it's a big was 

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Thinking. It ended in Tennessee and it realized it came all the way to me. It 

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Goes to the very top right-hand corner. 

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That portion of it, that we were in, we went to Tennessee to hack a portion of it. 

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I graduated from high school. I had a couple of guys that I knew that actually used the year after high school graduation to hike the Appalachian mountains. Cool. Cause you know, there's that whole trail that people will go up and down. So I don't know if so many people, again, first tangent of the show, there's apparently some stuff like up in the Appalachian mountains that like a lot of people in tech talk had been talking about it. Like you don't go outside at night and the Appalachian mountains, that's kind of scary stuff. Well, so a lot of people say that it could be like mountain people, not people who live in the mountain, like people who are not people 

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Like 

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Maybe candles 

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Or 

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Ghosts, but a lot of people will say that if you hit, like if you're in and this just like side note, if you're in that kind of that Appalachian area, they say that if you hear your name at night, don't go towards it. If you hear someone crying, don't go towards it. And if you think you see anything, don't go towards it. Don't acknowledge it. Don't look at it. Don't say anything. If it is in front of you, you just calmly turn around and walk in the other direction, but you do not acknowledge it. So that's kind of creepy. And apparently it's gone down because a lot of people that I saw talking about it were like, oh, like my, my grandmother always told me that about, about out here. 

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Like you don't do that. You don't go out after night. Like I never understood. And she said, I never understood when I was younger. Why my grandmother would never let me go outside at night until I got older. And so they were telling people because a lot of people have been now that COVID is over. A lot of people are going out. They're kind of doing stuff that they haven't been able to do. So a lot of that is traveling to different places that you haven't been before. So a lot of state parks are getting a lot of revenue right now and a lot of places like that. So a lot of people are going to Appalachia like in that area and people are like, don't don't don't if you are in, if you were near the woods at night and you hear anything, don't acknowledge it. 

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Just keep going. We 

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Hiked to a bear shelter 

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That does not seem smart. A bear shelter. 

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Well it's to shelter you from bear. Oh, I 

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Thought you went to a bear shelter, 

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Gave her no is to shelter you from there. 

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Bears shelter. That just seems really 

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It's. I mean, it's just building like, kinda like it's made like a log cabin, but it's not a log cabin and it's just a building and it has a row of bunks, you know, top and bottom bunks. And it's just made out of wood and the, the bunks are just like wire mesh and you know, has just a, a board between it or, you know, a log, I guess, between them holding it together top and bottom. And then there's, you know, room to move around and put your things in the front and then mesh, you know, wire on the front of it. 

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And you lock yourself in. So you hike up to the bear shelter to shelter you from the Bayer's not where the bear sheltered themselves crazy, but you can hike up there and then you, can you hike back down where you can hike to the next shelter or the next day? 

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Yeah, I don't, I don't know how I feel about that. 

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I was young. I was with my daddy. 

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I, I don't. Okay. So I, I had to know, I had to learn and I looked up Appalachia, why do you not go outside at night? So I had to know cause there's there's so there's the Appalachian Bigfoot, the Virginia devil monkey. 

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Oh my heavens the 

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Dwayne, which is a humanoid appearing in the Appalachian mountains. It is a cross between a human and a Wolf instead of a human and an ape like Bigfoot. Then there's the smelly Gaster. 

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It literally 

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Says, does this sound like a joke? What has the head of an alligator, the beak of a bird and a 25 foot wingspan. I'm sorry. That is terrifying. Nally gas. They named the creature Schneller Geist, the Germans named it, Schneller Geist, which means quick spirit. And it named this because it was known to swoop down on unsuspecting victims, suck all the blood out of the victim, leaving the empty husk to be found by anyone unlucky enough to happen upon it. 

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And in 1909, the hunt for the Appalachian Snell Gaster reached a peak Alec. So there's also the black Panther. Good movie, a good movie, not that one and forever. And the S and the snarly Yow 

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Snarly out. 

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It says the snarly yell is a massive black four legged beast with a large red mouth filled with Jagen fangs upon first sight of the first sight of the snarly. Ow, you might would think that it was a large dog until it looks at you. I'm thankful 

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For the bear shelter. 

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That's true. 

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This was in my youth. I haven't done much hiking. 

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I mean, I wouldn't, I would not want to, I don't know. This is, it's actually terrifying and kind of fascinating at the same time, but yeah, people onto the 

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Case, I don't like where this is 

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Taken, but the other, the guest or the other. So the other thing is if, if anybody, any of our fans watch supernatural, I'm rewatching the series right now. And one of the things in supernatural is called a wind digo, or it's they call it it's either a windy go. Or some people call it a wind to go. I think it's supernatural. They call it a wind to go. But it is essentially a person that ate too many P 

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Oh, so 

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Turned into something else. Oh. Cause it's not good for like people to eat people. I mean, I don't, yeah. It's a weird, weird world we live in. But yeah. So I think that could be kind of where they're going with the people that live in the mountain, that you could, somebody who is, if you are in Appalachia or if you're a, from there, let us know. I'd love to know why all of a sudden, 

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I want to know the look on my face. Cause I'm gobsmacked. Gobsmacked is I think the word right now. 

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I love these creepy things. So if you email us or send us anything, likely I will be the one that gets it first. So don't worry. Don't worry. I'll be the one to read it. But if you're a, from that area and you have stories, I really I've seriously. I really do want to know like what, what's the deal? Why am I seeing all these things everywhere? However, back to the, so once English and Scottish settlers made their way to Appalachia, the American folk ballads were born. Some of ballads that you might have heard of are the rhyme of the ancient Mariner by Samuel Coolidge. 

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That's the one with the albatross hanging around your neck. No. Okay. 

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I have heard the name of it and I'm sure I've probably heard it, but it will not an albatross. 

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It's like a massive albatross. Just making sure Annabel Lee by Edgar Allen Poe, the ballot of Davy Crockett by George Brown. 

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That's what I was gonna say. When you said that, I was going to say like, you're like baby carpet, 

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Elliot and the Odyssey by Homer and then modern ballads that we know are Unchained melody by the righteous brothers. Hallelujah, volatile, Leonard Cohen. One of the best songs ever written a candle in the wind by Elton John princess di 

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Me, 

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There's a new, something just came up new and peacock. It's called Diana and I haven't watched yet, but it will be already press play on it. But you know, 

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Candle in the wind originally was about Marilyn Monroe. He rewrote it. Right? 

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He rewrote it for her funeral, right? It was rereleased. There you go. Clear, take me home country roads, John. 

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I grew up on that y'all 

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To the place. And one of my it'll get you every time songs. If you watch the movie that goes along with the song, I don't want to miss a thing by Aerosmith. Oh, 

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So 

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Good. So, 

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And I don't like space movies. I do not like space. 

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Thank you. And I have talked about this 

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Or I do not like space movies. 

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I do like that. I don't like the ever vastness and never ending span of space. It's like people who are real afraid of the ocean like that, 

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Like action movies really 

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Either. Oh, I don't like ocean movies. Oh no. I don't the F the first movie that I ever watched that was in the ocean was I think it was called deep blue sea. Anyways, there was a shark. It was terrifying. Yeah. No don't but yeah, I don't like space, but that was such Armageddon. Yes. 

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Well, there's a lot of humor in it and I mean, Bruce Willis, but it was, so it was good. It was a good movie. It was a good movie. And there wasn't like the space that they were in, but they were on something. I don't know. 

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It wasn't, it wasn't like a Spacey space now. What's that? Was it Sandra Bullock? Who did that movie? Gravity. Oh, I D I w my, my ex's parents wanted to watch it once. And we were sitting in the living room and we watched like five minutes and I was like, I'm just going to go to sleep. I can't, because she gets like detached from, I know, I know I can. So, yeah, 

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Like I watched guardians of the galaxy. I watched that, that, that is more, 

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I don't, I don't store your face, but I don't want real space. 

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But star wars is morphine and see, but I don't enjoy star wars. And my nephews have like, tried to disown me over that. I'm not a fan. I'm not, but like all of the Marvel stuff I love, but it's not spicy. 

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I think it, I think they put too much of a, it's not drawn like a cartoon, but I think that the colors and like the, the unreal illness of it is 

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They're on land in there. They're in a play a lot. 

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I don't know anywhere. I don't like anything. That's realistic. I'm not, We are sorry. So, yeah. I don't want to miss a thing about Aerosmith. If you have never heard that song, just pause this podcast right now. Go listen to it. I can sing it for you. I think we're good. 

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So take me home country. 

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I mean, it was a very beautiful, that is such a catchy song. So such a catchy song. If you haven't heard that, either go listen to it. 

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Listen to anything about John Denver, just John Denver listened to it. You're welcome. Such a rainy song. 

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Okay. So if you've not, like you said homework, if you have not heard, I don't want to miss a thing. Press pause now. W we'll wait, go ahead 

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And just to do John Denver, listen. Okay. 

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Are y'all back from listening? Okay, good to know. So other than murder ballads, there are a few other inspirations for ballots, which include tragic romances like Romeo and Juliet historical events. Like the world turned upside down, which was an actual song during not that version, but there was an actual ballad written at that time that is called the world turned upside down and then super natural phenomenon was also one that was written. I wonder if the Raven would fall into that camp? I know probably not. The Raven at Graland PO I don't know anyways. 

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Yeah. That's what our is about today. So let's get to the story of Naomi wise. Oh, listen to my story. I'll tell you no lies. How John Lewis did murder poor little OMI wise. This is the first line to the ballad of Naomi wise. And we're going to get into her story. So Naomi wise was an orphan in new Salem, North Carolina in 1789. She was taken in as a bound servant by farmers, Mary and William Adams in Randolph county, North Carolina. 

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It said that the family raised Naomi as their own daughter, to which I say, but wasn't she a bouncer? And didn't she have a different name? I don't, yeah, I don't, I don't see it. So she was described as a woman whose quote size was medium. Her figure beautifully formed her face Hansen and expressive her eyes keen yet mild her words, soft and winning. When Naomi died, she had two children, Nancy age nine and Henry age four. 

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There isn't any record of Naomi being married, but in the North Carolina state archives, there bastardy bonds. Yes. And at this time in history, this is kind of like a child support agreement. Naomi charged each father with begetting, a child on her body. Oh. And each man had to post a bond publicly ensuring the county wouldn't ever have to pay to support the children. So that's what a bastardy bond is outside of this. 

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There isn't any other real information relating to Naomi. I did see some sources that said the two children did not have the same father. And it is possible that they were children of former employers of hers. So whether they were willing children or not, or children as a result of sexual assault, not sure, but it is said that the father of those children could have been some of her previous bosses. Yes. 

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So Jonathan Lewis was born in Randolph county, North Carolina, as the second child to Richard Lewis and Lydia field. When Jonathan met Naomi, he lived in Gulliford county, which is just north kind of north west. Yeah. Kind of Northwest to Randolph county. She's given 

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Me hand motion is 

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Great. He worked in Asheboro as a clerk in a general store. The days that Jonathan had to work, he would stay with his employer. And then Saturdays, he would ride the 15 miles back to his family's home. On Sunday, he would ride back to Asheboro. The route Jonathan took, had him pass the Adam's farm twice a week. And if you remember the Adams or the family who took in Naomi, who were kind of like her parents, it is said that he was quote a large well-built dignified looking, man. He was young daring and impetuous. 

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His smile was like, Sunbeams bursting through a cloud, illuminated every continence upon which it fell. And boy did Naomi definitely taken notice each week when Jonathan would pass by the farm, she would be sure to be there watching. So 

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Unthinking like these like guests, Dawn. That's 

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What I, when we get more into the story, maybe 

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He sends very guests. Don is shaping. 

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Maybe that's what I'm thinking. Say, let's see, Naomi would wait. And she would watch as he passed the farm to, and from his job, the two met one day while Naomi was carrying Springwater back to the Adams. Jonathan stopped and asked if he could have a drink of water. He then got off his horse and helped Naomi carry the water back to the house. Gentlemen, they fell in love almost instantly. And each week when Jonathan passed the Adams farm, he would stop and spend time with Naomi. But alas, a love like this. 

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It's just not meant to last. And do you want to know why? 

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Because she was not good enough for him. 

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Family is always that family has got to get 

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Involved. It's a lesson, a lack. 

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Naomi started to plan their wedding. Jonathan hadn't asked yet, but she was certain that they were going to marry soon because they had talked about it 

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Stars in her eyes. 

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But remember he was a clerk in Asheboro. Well, he had a boss that owned that general store. His name was Benjamin Elliott and Benjamin Elliot came from a very prominent and wealthy family. And then he had 

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A daughter. 

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Her name was Hattie. 

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I have a friend who has a daughter named Hattie Mae. And I love that child. Okay, continue. 

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So Jonathan's mother thought that how do you would be a perfect match for her son, a leg 

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Up? I 

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Mean, you're going to have money. You're going to have all these things like 

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Connection. Like <em></em> 

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Clearly. So Jonathan listened to his mother and started courting Hattie. Elliot. Jonathan never changed his route to and from the home, except now he didn't stop at the Adams on his way through. 

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Oh no, but she's so 

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Naomi was distraught and thought Jonathan was faithless since she assumed they were engaged. 

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And it happens with, we assume, 

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Well, word travels fast in a small town, as you knew, Dora. And once Hattie Elliott heard about the potential engagement, she straight up confronted Jonathan, like, who is this woman that says she's engaged to you? Like, 

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Because I am somebody and she is nobody and I will not be made a fool of, 

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He has two children. And what are you doing? And Jonathan denied everything and said that he only loved Hattie. Naomi was not one to joke around. And she threatened to Sue Jonathan for not marrying her. 

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What does she have to prove anything though? 

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He was still hearing rumors, but this time they were, that Naomi was pregnant with Jonathan's baby. He of course denied that Naomi was pregnant and that it was just a rumor. Yeah. Oh, what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive so much, like some of our other cases that we've already covered, there are two versions of the story for what happened to Naomi. They both end the same way, but there's two kind of ways that it, that it led up to what happened. One story is that Jonathan took off on his horse to the Adams farm to have a talk with the enemy after he was confronted by Hattie, this little sneaky snake told Naomi that he did, he did want to marry her and that they should get married. 

0  

00:35:15

Right. Then 

1  

00:35:16

No, come on with me. 

0  

00:35:18

We are going to get married right now. The two rode off on his horse and Naomi wasn't seen alive. Again. The other story is that one afternoon, Naomi took the water pails down to the spring and that she never returned either way a party was formed. And it wasn't long before they found her dead tangled in weeds in the deep river. Again, just like our previous story. This one really doesn't have a trigger warning level. Either guys, I'm just going to briefly gloss over what happened. There's no real in depth, any gruesome details or anything like that to it. We'll just real quickly kind of go over what they believe happened to her. 

0  

00:36:01

We'll get into that here. But like I said, it's, it's not, it's not bad. As far as description goes terrible that she was murdered, but not a bad description, right? Beside the spring where she usually went to get water, they noticed a woman's footprints going towards a tree stump. And on the other side of the stump, there were hoof prints. The Huff prints went towards the deep river and it's believed that Jonathan helps Naomi get off the horse and then strangled her and threw her into the river. Her cause of death was ruled as drowning by violence. And the coroner did report that Naomi was pregnant. 

0  

00:36:41

Ooh <em></em> 

1  

00:36:46

So that's probably why they were going to get married. And while she thought like, Hey, we're supposed to be getting married. 

0  

00:36:53

It was immediately assumed by everyone that Jonathan was the one to kill Naomi. He was found and captured almost immediately. He was taken back to the scene of the crime to confront the crime. He committed. He kept saying that he was innocent and he had nothing to do with it. Well, even for someone you're not with, you were with at some point, and you did love, right. 

1  

00:37:20

You spend 

0  

00:37:21

Time with, you would think that you would be emotional at the sight of your ex lover's dead body, even slightly emotional. That was not the case. He did not show any emotion. And the people in the search party that were, that were there were so enraged that they had to be restrained by other people to keep from hanging him right beside the river. Yeah. So he was taken to the Randolph county, jail and security, not great. Apparently a little bit of a rickety jail. Oh, he escaped while awaiting his murder trial. 

0  

00:38:01

And it took, I 

1  

00:38:02

Thought you were going to say people busted in and 

0  

00:38:06

To the male he escaped. And it took three years for him to be recaptured and drug back to stand trial in 8, 18, 11. So he didn't marry Hetty. No, but he sat in jail for two years before he went to court in 1813, and he was not standing trial for the murder of Naomi. He was on trial for escaping the jail. So what happened with the whole murder for Naomi? Everyone agreed that the murder case just didn't really hold up and most all of it was circumstantial. 

0  

00:38:52

And so he was acquitted of the crime and they never tried him. Nice. And no one else was ever tried for her murder at an escape who knows. Nice. There's a lot of speculation around the murder and really a lot into Naomi, particularly there is another account of the story and there was only one of this. It was the main account that I just read to you all is, is the widely believed kind of perceived story as to what happened. And this was just one account that I kind of found that was, that was worth mentioning. It's noted that Naomi was kind of brutal. 

0  

00:39:35

Naomi was not a beautiful orphaned girl. And she was actually a few years older than Jonathan. The speculation came from the age of her children at the time of her murder. Cause remember they were nine and four. So the other account goes on to say that Naomi didn't want to marry Jonathan. Naomi wanted essentially hush money to have the child and not put Jonathan's name on the birth certificate. This would make it to her a bastardy bond wasn't filed in court. 

0  

00:40:16

And Jonathan wouldn't have to pay the large amount of child support each month to Naomi. Other sources say that Naomi was murdered in 1807, not 1808, but her gravestone clearly says 1808. Why would it be? I don't understand why it would be wrong. What's the, what's the significance in that? Finally, we get a good deathbed confession Patty and several stories mentioned that in 1820 Jonathan confessed to Naomi's murder on his death bed. 

0  

00:41:00

But of course there is an opposing side, of course. And that side said that the ballad really needed an end and a confession was really the only way to end it. Good has got to have an ending. And today the site where Naomi died is known as Naomi false little bit on the nose. Don't you think? I mean, Naomi falls, I mean 

1  

00:41:40

Kind of like lying around it's 

0  

00:41:45

Yeah. It's it's it's bit, it's a bit much don't don't love it. But it's also said that a lot of places around that same town, I, I, I don't know if you live there, let us know, or if you live nearby, but it said that a lot of places around there are kind of named after her because of this, you know, epic because of this epic kind of murder ballad that was named after 

1  

00:42:09

Claim to fame. So right. Exactly. Make sense. I mean, you know, well, 

0  

00:42:18

So now finally, after all the buildup, we're going to get to the ballad of Naomi wise, you're not going to sing it. I am not fresh. There are several versions to it. This is the de I believe it's Paulin the Doug Wallin version of the song. There are several different versions. Also keep in mind because this is a palette, a lot of stories through time. And kind of, if you go back to, when we all read the Iliad and the Odyssey and school ballads at this time, it was a, it was a song. It was a, you know, a sing song way of telling a story for people to remember the story so that they could also retell it to people later on. 

0  

00:43:04

So it's kind of a game of telephone, you know, we're like, it starts out as one thing and then it kind of evolves. And so the words kind of changed a little bit over time, but the main story still remained, right? So we're going to get to it right now. I'll tell you the story of little OMI wise, how she became delude by John Lewis, his lies. He told her to meet him down by Adam spring, some money he would bring and some other fine things and full, like she met him at Adam Springs, no money. He brought her nor other fine things. 

0  

00:43:44

No money, no money to flat earth. The Kings will go and get married. There'll be no disgrace. John Lewis, John Lewis, please tell me your mind. Do you intend to marry me or leave me behind little OMI, little OMI. I'll tell you my mind. My mind is to drown you and leave you behind. Please pity our baby and spare my life. I'll go home a beggar and won't be your wife. He hugged her. He kissed her. He turned her around. He threw her in deep water where he knew she would drown. He jumped on his pony in a way he did ride. 

0  

00:44:25

And the screams of little OMI went down by his side. It was on last Wednesday morning. The rain was pouring down. The people searched for OMI, but she could not be found two boys, one efficient on a fine summer's day. They saw little OMI, went a float in a way. They drew their net around her and he pulled her to the shore. The body of little OMI was searched for no more. They sent for John Lewis. John Lewis came by when confronted with her body. He broke down and cried. You can shoot me. You can hang me for, I am the man that drown little OMI and yonder mill dam. 

0  

00:45:11

My name is John Lewis, my name I'll never deny. I drown little OMI Lewis and I'll never reach the sky. So like I said, few different stories, few different ways. And this one and the actual ballad, he does say that he did it. And basically like, he's never saying I'm never going to go to heaven. I'm sorry. 

1  

00:45:38

The part that said she went floating by. That was horrible. 

0  

00:45:47

Oh, when he wrote away? 

1  

00:45:49

No, no, no. When the boys found her 

0  

00:45:55

Two boys, when efficient on a find summer's day, they saw little on me. You want to float in way? 

1  

00:46:01

Oh gosh, that kind of, oh, I had my, my microphone pushed away. I kinda, I kinda, Ooh. 

0  

00:46:11

Yeah. So, and in the ballot it says that he did 

1  

00:46:16

And he confess and that he cried 

0  

00:46:18

And he cried and that they said that, you know, he drowned her and I'll never reach the sky. So basically I'm going, hell yeah. 

1  

00:46:26

Oh 

0  

00:46:27

Goodness. So yeah, that's the first murder pallet from America. And this was like I said before, this was a really good way for stories to be passed around and handed down. And especially in this area, in the Appalachia area, kind of these full American ballots were really, really popular. 

1  

00:46:49

Yeah. The other ballot that I thought of the Beverly hillbillies 

0  

00:46:55

That is not a balancer. 

1  

00:46:56

It is listen to a story that a man named John. 

0  

00:47:00

I mean, I guess it kind of is, but it's not like a real balance. That's like everybody 

1  

00:47:05

Knows it. 

0  

00:47:06

Most people know it. Oh goodness. Okay. So what do we think? What do you w how, what do you think about the whole Shirad as it is? 

1  

00:47:27

I think that there was on both sides. If I'm being honest. I do think that probably Naomi was trying to get some money, money, money. I think that maybe she didn't think a lot of herself and maybe that was, she was taught to not think a lot of herself because of her station in life and how she was raised. I don't think that was her fault. I just think that was how she was. She was taught to think of herself as not much and not worth being married. I do believe that that played a part into it. 

1  

00:48:07

I believe that she enjoyed being someone getting someone's attention. I can understand that. Just, you know, oh, he's looking at me, he he's liking that. But I do also think that that was a way for her to get some money and have some of her own well. 

0  

00:48:26

And she was getting money every month for her other two children, other 

1  

00:48:29

Too. And so this was a source of income. And unfortunately we know in that time, there were very few ways for women to make money. And that is very unfortunate. I'm not saying that was a good move on her part. Please understand that. But I'm also saying that she had to live by her wits because she society deemed her as not much, unfortunately, I'm not saying I agree with that either. But again, at that time, women were not really, you are only as good as your lineage, so to speak, just like, you know, the family didn't think she was good enough. 

1  

00:49:16

And, and unfortunately that still does happen today in some places. And, and that, that just hurts my heart and makes me sad, but it does still happen. So I think that she was misguided in her thoughts. And I think that does still happen today as well. But, you know, I also think that on his part, there was wrongdoing as well. He may have at one point really have been in love with her thought he was in love with her, but then when given a talking to, so to speak by his family and get had, had everything laid out in black and white to him, you know, do you want this for your future? 

1  

00:50:09

Or do you want this for your future? Think about it. Think what it could, 

0  

00:50:12

You know, what it reminds me of now that you say it like that? The notebook 

1  

00:50:17

<em></em> yes. Very much. Very, very much so. Just the guy instead of the girl. 

0  

00:50:26

Yeah. Very overrated movie, honestly, but 

1  

00:50:31

Leah knows me. I'm not into like rural, like she doesn't watch hallmark movies, 

0  

00:50:36

Christmas hallmark, that's it. But, but it does remind me of the notebook where, you know, she fell in love with someone else and then, but her family was like, no, no, no, no, no. You will not marry Noah. I mean, if you will look back on that movie now, real problematic. Yeah. Noah was a little stalker-ish. 

1  

00:51:00

Yeah. But I will say, but see that, that may be hits differently for me because my grandmother had Alzheimer's. 

0  

00:51:06

Oh my, my, yeah, mine is my grandmother's going through that kind of now. So yeah. It's 

1  

00:51:12

It hits, I mean, oh gosh, I cried. Oh my God. 

0  

00:51:19

I mean, it was when I watched is it is a very sad movie. It's not one that I would watch over and over. 

1  

00:51:25

Oh gosh, no, no, no, no, no. I watched it one time, all the way through in that scenario, just like I'm saving private Ryan. I think everyone should watch it. My, my grandfather, my pop was in the Normandy invasion and he was in the second wave. And the first scene, the opening scene is the Normandy invasion. And there were 70 veterans that I watched. Yes. I saw it in theater when it came out because I'm that old, God, she looks 

0  

00:51:55

Good for a porn and 1950s, 

1  

00:51:57

I'm gonna kick you in your team. 

0  

00:52:01

That's my money maker. You can't kick me in the teeth. 

1  

00:52:05

You need to be nice. You need to learn that. Anyway, I saw a lot of interviews with veterans who were in that invasion and they said of all the movies, they've seen all the reenactments, everything. That was the one that was the most realistic, it best portrayed. And I remember sitting there that theater and just tears streaming down my face, looking at the bottom right-hand corner of this screen after seeing the whole screen for like, you know, five seconds and just thinking my pops off this, it, it was real, it wasn't actors. 

1  

00:52:48

And I, I was just a RET seeing it, knowing that it was actors. And all I could think of was my pop saw this and it was real what they weren't actors. They were real people, real men, boy. 

0  

00:53:06

Oh yeah. And it's definitely one of those movies. I think there's a good list of movies that people should. You should always see it. 

1  

00:53:16

At least one, at least one just let Braveheart 

0  

00:53:19

Shawshank redemption. Oh my gosh. 

1  

00:53:22

I love 

0  

00:53:22

Shawshank. 

1  

00:53:24

Oh, they killed her with that. Love. He 

0  

00:53:27

Killed her with it love. And when the little bitty mouse died, oh, that's such a good movie. If you all have not seen the green mile. It's so good. Shawshank redemption is really good. It's real heavy, a real heavy, but it's a good, it's a good mix. It is. It is one of those. It's real sad. The part of that movie that was real sad to me was it really did kind of show what happens when people who have been in prison for so long get out and they don't know what to do. It was, it was real sad. But yeah, I think there's a good list of there's a list of movies that I think everyone should see at least once in their lives. And you can kind of, you know, the notebook maybe, I guess, but that's what this reminds me of because yeah, I mean, in that Allie, Allie had two decisions. 

0  

00:54:16

She could choose one way or she could choose the other. And I think Jonathan, in our case, I think he was kind of the same way he could choose to be married. You know, he could go with Naomi and he could go against his family. So Naomi, Naomi would be the Noah in the story. 

1  

00:54:33

Well, and he was young. 

0  

00:54:36

Yeah. I mean, and it said, and so it's not real known if he was the younger one or if she was, you know, all of the records at that time kind of go kind of crazy, you know, with, with different ways that the story can go. But it's just, it's one of those things that, yeah, I think, I think he was taught. I think it was one of those things. He's tired of the rumors. He was tired of going back and forth and he was tired of trying to tell Hattie that, no, I didn't do, but then here's the thing you didn't get either one of them. Yeah. It did say that he did go on to marry someone else, but he was trot when he finally had the trial, just the trial for him escaping jail, that trial wasn't until 1813. 

0  

00:55:26

And he only served, he was only was sentenced to like a small fine of like $20 and a jail sentence of 30 days. And because he had been in jail And, and it was only that small amount. And then he was supposed to serve 30 days and they, he was there for two years. So they gave him Tom served and he was out. So, and then 9, 18 20 is when he died. So he did not live very long, but it did say that he got married and he did have kids. Well, not to Hattie had he's like, bye. 

1  

00:56:00

Yeah. Well, because of her standing. But I mean, I think that if, if his family hadn't gotten involved and said, but wait, you need to think about your standing and your obligation to this family. It may have turned out to them. 

0  

00:56:16

It's like Martha Ballard in her little journal, in her little diary that she wrote and our Parrington massacre episode, where she was just appalled that people were choosing who they wanted to marry. She couldn't believe it. And I mean, it's just those things of like, it's just so it's, it's so crazy because then in a way, it pushes forward to our time now where, you know, things are very different and choosing who your partner is and choosing who you decide to spend your life with. And things are very different from how they were at that time where the people at that time, what they would die before, you know, they seek, but I mean, the world changes. And we've always said before, we love everybody. 

0  

00:56:57

We don't care who you are, love, who you want to love, be who you want to be, but even still today by the standards of then, I mean, the fact that, I mean, we'll say it, the fact that you marry someone who is of a different background than you, who, you know, that you are white or you are Hispanic, or you are Asian or you're from another country and you marry someone who's not of your same culture or heritage, you know, a lot of people are thrown off by that. So, you know, and then of course then gay marriage is the big topic that a lot of people talk about. And you know, and so it's, it's one of those things of like, we've progressed so far in that way. 

0  

00:57:42

And it's, and it is, it's one of those things of, this is a situation that does show like maybe I should have stayed out of it. A woman could've still live. She had two kids, like she had, it's not like she, it wasn't just her. And not that if it, not that it would be any less sad. She didn't have children, 

1  

00:58:06

But she, the reaching situation, she did 

0  

00:58:09

Have two dependents that depended on her. And I think that, yeah, I think that, that a lot of times when you get into these situations where it is, you know, we need to think about what you're doing before you marry this person, or you need to think of, you know, he know, I mean, something's gotta be said for learning, learning on your own sometimes. I mean, and, and it is one of those things and, and, and look by all means, if, if you think your daughter's boyfriend could be a serial killer yes. Step in, he looks a little bit too close to looking like Ted Bundy or Dahmer, like, yes, like let's step in, maybe look at the family tree a little bit closer, but you know, if it's because, oh, well, you know, you're dating someone who their family has a lot of money and maybe you grew up in a middle-class family and their family's like, she's kind of poor. 

0  

00:59:05

Like stay out of it, stay out of it, stay out of it. I will say 

1  

00:59:10

That my dad and my husband y'all, it is scary every, every year. It seems that I find more similarities between my dad, my husband. And it's just, it's scary. Sometimes my mom and I will look at each other sometimes and just go really. But if my dad and my mom had not liked my now husband, I really don't think I would have married him just because I am very close with my family, with my parents. If you don't have as close of a relationship with your parents, it may not matter as much. I mean, of course, you know, you, you're going to want your parents' approval. 

0  

00:59:54

Well, yeah, but we've also, we also know those and I'll say it, we know those guys. We know those guys that their, their mama was a little too invested in what they were doing. We 

1  

01:00:11

Know nobody's ever going to be good at, 

0  

01:00:13

I went to high school with someone and I will not be, I will not go into specifics, but I will say that it was Barry well-known this guy's never going to date anybody for a long time because his mother was very particular in specific ways about who her son dated. And it had 

1  

01:00:36

To do way from that situation. It had to 

0  

01:00:39

Deal with religious backgrounds. And so it was kind of known like, Hey, if you're not this, you might, as, she's not gonna lie to you. Yeah. And so it was just one of those things of like, it was, well-known like, yeah, his mom's going to be a little bit too involved if you know, so, and it, and it was very much kind of, you know, went that way. And, and so it's, it's one of those things of like, we all also kind of know that guy whose mom was a little too invested in what her son was doing and got a little bit too involved in stuff she shouldn't have gotten involved in know, 

1  

01:01:21

We know that moms that got too involved in her daughters, those are the ones that drove me crazy. Like the moms had all the gossip and they were worse than the daughters and themselves. Right. 

0  

01:01:34

Right. Don't want the ones that thought 

1  

01:01:37

They were still in high school too. Yes. 

0  

01:01:39

Yes. And, and that's, that's unfortunate too, but yeah, I definitely think this was a case of maybe family's a little bit too involved. Family might need to take their selves a little step back or on the other hand, maybe bro needs to step up and actually come forward and say, Hey, I don't want to marry you instead of I'm going to stop every week and I'm going to spend time with you, but now I'm just going to ride on by like nothing ever happened. Like it's, it's one of those things of like, it's, it is, it is the, it is the old version of ghosting. Yeah. Like he, he just ghosted her. 

0  

01:02:20

You were there all the time. And then all of a sudden, you just stopped coming by with no explanation, no anything. And I've been in the dating world for a couple of years now, as far as, you know, things. And, and it is so true, there will be an, and I'm sorry, some of these guys, this may be where your mama needs to get involved until you need to act like a man, because they, I mean, and you know, you went through my dating span with me where like, you would hear, like, I would hear from guys and I would talk to them, we'd go on a date. Things would be great. And then poof, like out of nowhere and then three weeks later, oh, Hey, how you doing? 

0  

01:03:04

I'm sorry. Who are you? Yeah. I don't know. You, you stopped talking to me. And it's like, I had moved on. I mean, and what was really funny is because it's, I mean, it's no surprise how a lot of people meet people today. I'm at my boyfriend on a dating app. We met in a pandemic and we met on a dating app and which is funny. We were sitting there the other day and I was like, oh my gosh, next month will be a year since our first date. Really? Our, yeah. Our first date was August 20th. Wow. We became official September 1st. So yeah. And I was like, I was crazy. I looked and I was like, it's ju it's July. 

0  

01:03:46

What? Next month is August. And it's like, oh, I guess it has been, it has been. And it's so crazy because, you know, but after we first started dating, cause we met on a dating app and it was kind of one of those things of like, we both kind of decided after our first date, we're not going to be on the app anymore. We're not going to do that. So we both deleted the app, got off of it, deleted our accounts, like did the whole nine yards. And then after we had been dating for, you know, a couple of weeks or so I had somebody, you know, just, just reach back out and was like, Hey, you want to? And I'm like, I'm sorry. Who are you? Who are you have we met? 

0  

01:04:26

Do I know he knew because his last time I checked, you didn't know me. I mean, you know, so those cases maybe, maybe mom's needs teach their son. Maybe just be a man. Not in, not in a world of state saying that we're in stucks, gender stereotypes at that. But if you're a guy, maybe let's not in your dating and you're in that world and you are a guy that is dating a girl, mate, you regarding a guy girl day. I don't care who you are. If you're the one that doesn't want to talk anymore. Maybe say it, maybe don't just go, let's keep her on the back burner. Yeah. Let's just keep this one on the, on, like if you're a girl sending that to us. 

0  

01:05:06

And if you're the, if you are, like we said in any relationship, if, if you were the person that wants to step away, maybe just go ahead and say, Hey, and I have, I, you know, like said I was on the dating app for not very long, but a little bit. And there was a guy that I talked to that was very nice and very, he was a teacher and he was a super nice guy. Very, very, you know, he was attractive, obviously. That's how you immediately liked people on dating apps. I like turn more into my boyfriend all the time that I liked your profile first. And he was very nice and we talked back and forth for probably a day or so. And then, you know, he, he said, this is kind of where my life is going. 

0  

01:05:49

This is what I want to do. And I said, yeah, that I can't do that. And he said, well, I really appreciated getting to know you. That's just, that's just, doesn't seem like it's really gonna work for us. And I, you know, I hope good luck. I hope that you meet someone and it's like, do it. Exactly. And I was, it was kind of shocking because it was like, oh, oh, 

1  

01:06:13

How we're finishing up. 

0  

01:06:14

Okay. Yeah. And I was like, good luck to you. Like he, and he was a super nice guy and it was just one of those things that it was like, oh, hi. Okay. So there are adults. Got it. Nice. You know, and that's what 

1  

01:06:30

Put that out for all the other guys. 

0  

01:06:33

Can you do a class and let's get, Hmm. While I'm on my soap box of dating apps, can we please stop putting that? If you don't like the office, don't talk to me because it is so annoying and it is seriously. Every, if you're a guy and you are listening to this podcast and we do, we do have male listeners can y'all please take off of your profile that if you don't like the office, don't talk to me because that's this turnoff right there. I can't, I can't judge our dating life off of whether I know enough quotes from the office. Like I have seen the office, I've watched it. 

1  

01:07:16

There's some funny things. Does it consume your life? It's not one that I'm like, I love friends. I think I can put all the friends. I mean, I call my has done my lobster. I mean, we may hold claws. That may be too much. Just tell you, but we do, but it's just like it, I'm not going to not be your friend or not. 

0  

01:07:35

They're going to tell you something real funny though. So in, so the dating app that I was on a very good dating app, it actually was very the way that they processed everything. It was very good the way they did it. I, I really liked the, the way it was done. And you could cause you could call people through it and you could FaceTime people through the app. So they didn't have to have your phone number, that kind of thing. And my boyfriend kept noticing that one of the things that all girls would put on their dating app or their dating profile was something to the effect of really good margarita is like, you can like it. 

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01:08:19

And there were these questions and things that you could answer, like, you know, it changed my mind about, and you would kind of put like, it was always conversations. Starters were kind of the way that it was done in a lot of the ways that a lot of girls would talk on there. It was always about like some what's something that you could order on a first date and like, you know, something, some weird question like that. And he said, all the girls kept putting margaritas. So what he did that would not be mine. So what he did is on his dating profile, there was one thing that said, like, ask me, ask me about, he put my margarita recipe. 

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01:09:09

Cause he was like, oh, I just thought maybe girls would bite a little bit more on my profile if they love it, which is funny because he actually does have a secret margarita recipe. That's very good. But yeah, if that's a, that's a good lesson from our story. If you're, if you were the person in a relationship, regardless of the relationship of which it is, and you do not wish to be in that relationship anymore, maybe just tell the other person, if you're, if you're grown up enough to be in a relationship, you're grown up enough to say, Hey, I'm done. Yeah. And you're going to be more miserable if you stay in it and you don't want to be in at one. And then two, it's just going to be real awkward because you could say, Hey right now, this isn't good. 

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01:09:54

This is not a good time for this right now, but also don't wait on me. This is, you know, I I've, I mean, went on another date with a guy that we went on a couple of dates and we saw each other several times he was super nice. He was a pharmacist. And all of a sudden, one day he got like real quiet and I, and it wasn't really like him. And I mentioned something to him and he flat out said, he was like, Hey, I'm really sorry. X, Y, and Z have happened. And it was something in his family life that he did really need. It hit him by surprise. And it was something that kind of based off of where he worked and some other things he really needed to focus on it. 

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01:10:39

And his family lived, you know, farther away from here. And so he was going to have to, and he was like, Hey, I really appreciated the time that we've spent together. I really like you, but I don't want to, I don't, I've got things that I need to focus on right now. And although this is a really good thing. Can we maybe in a F you know, maybe later on down the road, can we revisit this? Maybe after some things in my life have calmed down and I was like, sure, good, best of luck to you. I hope things go well for you. You know? And he, and one of the things he said is, and if you're seeing someone else by that time, then I really missed out. 

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01:11:22

But if not, then I guess that's good for me. But you know, he was very on and it was a very serious situation. And that guys like, I'll just give some hint. I'll just give some mud dating app advice classes as to how to build your dating profile. I mean, 

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01:11:45

I'm pre-dating app from when I was, you know, out in the field, but you can clear the evil OD just because she loves me. 

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01:11:54

You, my cat has gotten up in Leah's lap. Again, this, this research assistance. She 

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01:12:00

She's been giving me kisses. It's okay. It's fun. So, anyway, I'm dating app because you know, I've been married 20 years now. He made the best decision of his life. Ah, 

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01:12:11

You married late in life. 

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01:12:15

She's bitter because her cat likes me this anyway. So the guy that I dated stuff, it, the guy that I dated before him, you know, everybody has their psycho ex, well, this, this is, this is him. Okay. So 

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01:12:33

If you would like to send in your psycho ex stories, please send them to one nation under crime.com. We all have one, your Appalachian stories and your crazy ex stories. 

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01:12:43

And I only dated other than my husband. I only dated two other guys really seriously. I mean, I got married at 21, so, you know, so anyways say, Well, last year I get around anyway, Anyway, so this guy 

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01:13:14

Has got to eat well, 

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01:13:17

I lived in the same house from the day I came home from the hospital until the day I got married. So I didn't even live in the dorms when I went to college because I went to college like 

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01:13:27

20 minutes. Yeah. Yeah. 

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01:13:29

Anyway, so I broke up with this guy because I realized that he was like in, he was not meant for me. And he drove a rather loud car, was an old car kind of loud car. And in a dream that night that I heard his car, I just screamed it. Right. Cause, cause he lived 

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01:13:53

Guys, this is how we know Leah never paid attention to true crime. It was not a dream. It was not a dream. 

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01:13:58

He lived a pretty good ways away. Like we only saw each other on the weekends cause he, he lived a pretty good way away. And so I dreamed that I heard his car cause you know, you could hear it. And so I had to work the next day and when I, you know, I, I always like for work. I was there like right on time because I don't do mornings very well. And so I just ran out the door, got in my car, went to work. And so when I got into my car for lunch, I looked in the back seat and in the backseat of my car, cause I never locked my car in my driveway. 

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01:14:42

We know that Leah did not listen to true crime. 

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01:14:45

Well, remember my is where I grew up. Robert 

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01:14:50

Stack have, would have taught you better on ensemble strays. 

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01:14:52

Well, you know, or Mayberry, we lock our cars that may Berry now, but that time we didn't. But anyway, looked in the back seat of my car when I went to lunch and all of the gifts I had ever given him were in the backseat of my car. I had not dreamed that I had heard his car. He had driven hour an hour, the lever and hour to my house that night when we were all 

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01:15:25

Asleep. 

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01:15:30

And then this is before everybody had cell phones, you know, we had like bag phones in the car. Like those are the cell phones at the time. Yes, yes. Friends. This is true. And had the audacity to call me and asked me for, for some of it back, it was like, well, I can send it through some mutual friends, but I will not be meeting you anywhere. So yeah, don't do that. Does don't do that? 

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01:16:06

Don't do that. Give it to Goodwill. 

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01:16:08

Do not come to her house and put it in the backseat of her car while she sleeps. That's weird. 

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01:16:20

I mean, I've had some kind of weird things that, but I have there, we don't have an episode long enough to deal with all the weird things that I've dealt with dating, but I've had some pretty, 

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01:16:31

I had the worst blind date story. Watch get into that. Another time 

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01:16:36

On Hm. My boyfriend current. Yes. That I have now. He's wonderful. He's amazing. So he's I like him. He's so handsome the night of our, for, I think I told you this the night of our 

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01:16:54

First date, you'd not wear a hat. He did. 

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01:16:58

But my neighbor had mentioned that someone came by my house. Yes. And this person did not even slightly live close to here. And I mean like state states, Elaine and LIS, apparently I chose the right night to go on a date. And, and obviously like I went out on a date, so like I didn't get back to later, but my neighbor, I was like, ah, yeah, I saw this car and he kinda like said what it was. 

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01:17:44

And I, I knew I was like, oh, oh, oh, who does a blast from the past? Okay. Thank you. And I was just like, so yeah. Like, well I'm glad I didn't have to deal with that. Absolutely. And thank goodness for good neighbors. Well, anyway, neighbors are great observant. So yeah, it was very, it's interesting. So we could, I could go on about dating stories, but we'll, we'll, we'll regale you with all those and other time, I suppose, you know, since y'all stuck with us on this tangent long enough moral of the story for today, guys would be anyone who's dating anyone who does not want to date them anymore. 

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01:18:29

Just let them know. Yeah. Maybe on ended murder. Hopefully if it murder, if it does end, maybe we'll cover it one day. So anyway, don't do it. Don't don't murder. Just so we'll cover it just, don't just, don't like have our podcast like playing when you do it. That's all really. I ask don't murder. Don't just don't murder. I mean, true. So yeah, we have a pot. We have a website. Now you can find us@onenationundercrime.com. That's it just go there. You can find everywhere anywhere in anything that you would possibly want to find about us. 

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01:19:10

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01:19:58

You just be like, Hey, no, but have you heard one nation under? I don't know. We might not want them to listen, but anyways, you know, who knows? And yeah, if you love us, like we do and we do love us go, Kayla. She's pretty cool. All right. 

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01:20:18

We'll so kind. And then just got 

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01:20:20

Up me. I mean, she's, 

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01:20:23

She does not love as 

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01:20:24

Freely as I do. I don't. So, so that should mean a lot that you're here. 

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01:20:29

She does put up with me coming to her house, stealing the love of her animals. 

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01:20:34

So go to apple podcasts, leave us a five star review, leave us a comment on there. It helps us get exposure on apple podcasts. But the best way is just to recommend us to anyone that you see. We are so glad that you guys hung around for another week of one nation under crime. And we made it to the double digits. Now it's only, only. So I've already got the next couple of episodes already kind of started with some notes. So they're going to be some good ones and 

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01:21:06

Alabama one in the south. 

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01:21:09

They're kind of hard right now. Just because the Southern yeah. The Southern part of the United States at this time, isn't really fully 

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01:21:15

Formed. 

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01:21:17

Yeah. So we've got a little bit to go before that. So yeah, we're kind of making our own, this was, this was not 

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01:21:24

Carolina became a state. Yeah. 

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01:21:27

Maybe it depends on if they report, but it depends on if they reported any rural crime that year, then that can be found. So yeah. I mean, we got down to the Carolinas now, so that's, we're where we're making our way there. So yeah. Thank you guys for listening to us and sticking with us through this rabbit hole. Again, you got any Appalachian stories, please let me know. I really I'm genuinely curious as to why I shouldn't go outside at night. 

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01:21:59

They 

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01:21:59

Creeped me out only. I won't see him anyways. It's fine. I check things way, way more often than she does. So just let me know. Cause I am genuinely curious and I don't want to be sitting up at 12 o'clock at night, looking it up on the internet and creeping myself out. So yeah, just let us know. And we will see you here. Same time, different crime next week. And remember that there isn't always Liberty and justice for all. We will see you next week. Bye.